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		<title>Comment on &#8220;How to Build a Space Solar Power System&#8221; by pros and cons of solar power</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pros and cons of solar power]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its great viewing your site.that would be great having solar power for all electrical appliances in our home.thanks for the great information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its great viewing your site.that would be great having solar power for all electrical appliances in our home.thanks for the great information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama Team Asking for Public Input on Space-Based Solar Power by Solar Power In India</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solar Power In India]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are planning four solar parks across the globe. We are looking at South Africa, California in the US, Australia and Gujarat. All these projects are of the same size, as of now. The overall capacity to be generated from solar energy in the four projects could go as high as 20,000 Mw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are planning four solar parks across the globe. We are looking at South Africa, California in the US, Australia and Gujarat. All these projects are of the same size, as of now. The overall capacity to be generated from solar energy in the four projects could go as high as 20,000 Mw.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Space Solar Power Demo: WWWWW &amp; H? by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should all be looking at the environment and what we can do to help the situation. It&#039;s great that you are promoting solar energy and its be benefits.
Keep up the good work]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all be looking at the environment and what we can do to help the situation. It&#8217;s great that you are promoting solar energy and its be benefits.<br />
Keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>Comment on Space-Based Solar Power Breakthrough to Be Announced by P Call</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Call]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think solar power needs to improve just a little more until it is a mainstream source of power, but  we&#039;re not far off and the improvements in recent years have been incredible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think solar power needs to improve just a little more until it is a mainstream source of power, but  we&#8217;re not far off and the improvements in recent years have been incredible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technical Discussion On Power Beaming: Engineers Take Note! by Neil Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[~87 weeks ago at change.org No new posts. My comments are enclosed with~

This response is filed on behalf of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, headquartered in Charlottesville, VA. NRAO (http://www.nrao.edu)is a federally-chartered facility funded by the National Science Foundation for the purpose of constructing and operating radio telescopes in the pursuit of radio astronomy world-wide. Owing to a capital investment of over $1,000,000,000 in state of the art radio frequency astronomical instruments such as the eVLA, VLBA, Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope and ALMA, NRAO and its user community are major stakeholders in the electromagnetic spectrum. They stand to be seriously impacted by testing, development and/or implementation of space-based solar power satellites (SPS) for terrestrial power generation. ~Some impact will occur, but they can find solutions until the SPS total is many gigawatts. By then, present equipment will be obsolete and the far side of the moon may be the main radio astronomy location which will not be impacted by even 1000 gigawatts of SPS~  The ill effects of SPS are hardly limited to astronomy nor have they lessened with the passage of time. 

To capture and repackage as microwaves the same solar radiation which naturally falls on earth as sunlight, SPS would place huge (~75 sq km) solar collectors and multi-gigawatt rf transmitting systems into the heart of the geosynchronous satellite belt. Even in normal operation the presence of these transmitters could wreak havoc on other spectrum users (astronomy, terrestrial-satellite links and the like) because, with the inevitable leakage of even tiny fractions of gigawatt peak levels, it is impossible ~solutions will be possible in most cases~ to prevent interference across a broad swath of the spectrum. Moreover, generation of gigawatt power levels using literally millions of individual kilowatt power sources per SPS station will involve large amounts of spurious noise as the individual elements fail; even for a mean lifetime of 30 years, dozens of elements will fail each day at each station in high, geostationary orbit where servicing is extremely difficult. And even optical and infrared astronomy will not be immune because the SPS collectors will light up the sky at optical and infrared wavelengths day and night owing to reflection and heating of the solar panels. ~even 1000 gigawatts will be minor compared to the present light polution, cities world wide produce~

SPS systems have other liabilities. On the ground, they also require huge land preserves harboring rectifying antennas whose areas are comparable to what would be required to generate gigawatts of power from incoming solar power directly. The mean power levels beamed to earth as microwaves across these ground antennas by SPS are comparable to those of normal incident sunlight, but as microwaves they are well above human safety levels. ~True for the present standard of 0.1 watt per square centimeter, but considerably higher microwave energy levels are tolerated by humans at most frequencies, except on extremely hot days~ The need for such elaborate, remotely-sited ground receiving stations precludes use of SPS in case of sudden emergencies; it cannot be beamed wherever it might be needed. ~Some casualties from the beam is likely acceptable, if the energy allows the saving of many other lives~ 

It is a separate decision whether to entrust the national power supply to SPS ~1% is not entrusting/when and if we reach 1% we can consider if further scale up is prudent~ with it&#039;s ~not~  obvious vulnerabilities. The vast amounts of rocketry needed may cause other bad side effects. NRAO recommends that the pursuit of SPS systems for terrestrial power generation should be abandoned, as the potential harm ~possibly~ outweighs the benefits. NRAO urges that the solar power research effort be turned toward development of appropriate technologies (such as power storage) which would allow ground-based solar collectors to be ~possibly~ adequate as a source of electric power. If development of SPS for terrestrial power generation proceeds, NRAO asks that the interests of all spectrum stakeholders be protected. ~using laser frequencies (instead of microwave) reduces most of these problems significantly.  Neil~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~87 weeks ago at change.org No new posts. My comments are enclosed with~</p>
<p>This response is filed on behalf of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, headquartered in Charlottesville, VA. NRAO (<a href="http://www.nrao.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrao.edu</a>)is a federally-chartered facility funded by the National Science Foundation for the purpose of constructing and operating radio telescopes in the pursuit of radio astronomy world-wide. Owing to a capital investment of over $1,000,000,000 in state of the art radio frequency astronomical instruments such as the eVLA, VLBA, Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope and ALMA, NRAO and its user community are major stakeholders in the electromagnetic spectrum. They stand to be seriously impacted by testing, development and/or implementation of space-based solar power satellites (SPS) for terrestrial power generation. ~Some impact will occur, but they can find solutions until the SPS total is many gigawatts. By then, present equipment will be obsolete and the far side of the moon may be the main radio astronomy location which will not be impacted by even 1000 gigawatts of SPS~  The ill effects of SPS are hardly limited to astronomy nor have they lessened with the passage of time. </p>
<p>To capture and repackage as microwaves the same solar radiation which naturally falls on earth as sunlight, SPS would place huge (~75 sq km) solar collectors and multi-gigawatt rf transmitting systems into the heart of the geosynchronous satellite belt. Even in normal operation the presence of these transmitters could wreak havoc on other spectrum users (astronomy, terrestrial-satellite links and the like) because, with the inevitable leakage of even tiny fractions of gigawatt peak levels, it is impossible ~solutions will be possible in most cases~ to prevent interference across a broad swath of the spectrum. Moreover, generation of gigawatt power levels using literally millions of individual kilowatt power sources per SPS station will involve large amounts of spurious noise as the individual elements fail; even for a mean lifetime of 30 years, dozens of elements will fail each day at each station in high, geostationary orbit where servicing is extremely difficult. And even optical and infrared astronomy will not be immune because the SPS collectors will light up the sky at optical and infrared wavelengths day and night owing to reflection and heating of the solar panels. ~even 1000 gigawatts will be minor compared to the present light polution, cities world wide produce~</p>
<p>SPS systems have other liabilities. On the ground, they also require huge land preserves harboring rectifying antennas whose areas are comparable to what would be required to generate gigawatts of power from incoming solar power directly. The mean power levels beamed to earth as microwaves across these ground antennas by SPS are comparable to those of normal incident sunlight, but as microwaves they are well above human safety levels. ~True for the present standard of 0.1 watt per square centimeter, but considerably higher microwave energy levels are tolerated by humans at most frequencies, except on extremely hot days~ The need for such elaborate, remotely-sited ground receiving stations precludes use of SPS in case of sudden emergencies; it cannot be beamed wherever it might be needed. ~Some casualties from the beam is likely acceptable, if the energy allows the saving of many other lives~ </p>
<p>It is a separate decision whether to entrust the national power supply to SPS ~1% is not entrusting/when and if we reach 1% we can consider if further scale up is prudent~ with it&#8217;s ~not~  obvious vulnerabilities. The vast amounts of rocketry needed may cause other bad side effects. NRAO recommends that the pursuit of SPS systems for terrestrial power generation should be abandoned, as the potential harm ~possibly~ outweighs the benefits. NRAO urges that the solar power research effort be turned toward development of appropriate technologies (such as power storage) which would allow ground-based solar collectors to be ~possibly~ adequate as a source of electric power. If development of SPS for terrestrial power generation proceeds, NRAO asks that the interests of all spectrum stakeholders be protected. ~using laser frequencies (instead of microwave) reduces most of these problems significantly.  Neil~</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to Build!  A First Look at &#8220;The Initial Plan&#8221; by Raymond N. Cox</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/time-to-build-a-first-look-at-the-initial-plan/#comment-3318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond N. Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Richard: I have not seen any details, but one possibility is SBSP at Earth moon L1, which for the moon is much like GEO stationary is for Earth. The SBSP would be in sunlight about 99% of the time and could beam energy to rectennas (solar sites if laser instead of microwaves) on about half of the side of the moon which is visable from Earth. Almost to the poles would be practical. The length of the beam would be about 56,000 kilometers compared to 36,000 kilometers for Earth GEO stationary orbit. This portion of the moon has two weeks of continious night, about 13 times per year.   Neil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard: I have not seen any details, but one possibility is SBSP at Earth moon L1, which for the moon is much like GEO stationary is for Earth. The SBSP would be in sunlight about 99% of the time and could beam energy to rectennas (solar sites if laser instead of microwaves) on about half of the side of the moon which is visable from Earth. Almost to the poles would be practical. The length of the beam would be about 56,000 kilometers compared to 36,000 kilometers for Earth GEO stationary orbit. This portion of the moon has two weeks of continious night, about 13 times per year.   Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technical Discussion On Power Beaming: Engineers Take Note! by Raymond N. Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond N. Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 04:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ore similar to regloth can be purchased for a few dollars per ton in many places on Earth, but we don&#039;t extract silicon or aluminum from this ore, likely because expensive ore is less costly to extract the elements from. Perhaps we can learn how to extract elements from regloth and cheap earthly ore that is competitive with the expensive ore, but costly research and development is needed.
From GEO altitude the plan was a kilometer antenna that sent a billion watts to a rectenna with an area of about 20 square kilometers. Since the moon is about 10 times farther away, the area of the rectenna increases to about 100 times that area = 2000 square kilometers. In theory we can send 100 billion watts with the same energy density just above the rectenna. Not even New York City needs that much power, so we have to add the cost of thousands of kilometers of HVDC = high voltage direct current power lines, or less efficient 3 phase 60 hertz power lines to take the power to customers. We can cut corners and make the rectenna smaller, but most of the energy misses the rectenna, which makes the people living near the rectenna fearful even though they are not harmed by the exposure to the micro wave energy, according to most experts. We can transmit with lasers on the moon and ordinary solar panels and solar thermal systems can receive the energy, but the laser technology isn&#039;t there yet = maybe in ten years. So one problem is even a demonstration system from the moon is incredibly costly. Investors are wise to be skeptical if the scale up is one million times from 1000 watts (demonstration) to one billion watts delivered to the grid.
To me it seems a semi polar sun synchronous orbit (closer than GEO) is the way to go, as it could provide electricity to all the nations of Earth during their peak demand period. There are lots of related details in the forum at  www.spacesolarpower.wordpress.com Hurry, the forum could be deleted soon, as they are not approving new posts this year. Neil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ore similar to regloth can be purchased for a few dollars per ton in many places on Earth, but we don&#8217;t extract silicon or aluminum from this ore, likely because expensive ore is less costly to extract the elements from. Perhaps we can learn how to extract elements from regloth and cheap earthly ore that is competitive with the expensive ore, but costly research and development is needed.<br />
From GEO altitude the plan was a kilometer antenna that sent a billion watts to a rectenna with an area of about 20 square kilometers. Since the moon is about 10 times farther away, the area of the rectenna increases to about 100 times that area = 2000 square kilometers. In theory we can send 100 billion watts with the same energy density just above the rectenna. Not even New York City needs that much power, so we have to add the cost of thousands of kilometers of HVDC = high voltage direct current power lines, or less efficient 3 phase 60 hertz power lines to take the power to customers. We can cut corners and make the rectenna smaller, but most of the energy misses the rectenna, which makes the people living near the rectenna fearful even though they are not harmed by the exposure to the micro wave energy, according to most experts. We can transmit with lasers on the moon and ordinary solar panels and solar thermal systems can receive the energy, but the laser technology isn&#8217;t there yet = maybe in ten years. So one problem is even a demonstration system from the moon is incredibly costly. Investors are wise to be skeptical if the scale up is one million times from 1000 watts (demonstration) to one billion watts delivered to the grid.<br />
To me it seems a semi polar sun synchronous orbit (closer than GEO) is the way to go, as it could provide electricity to all the nations of Earth during their peak demand period. There are lots of related details in the forum at  <a href="http://www.spacesolarpower.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacesolarpower.wordpress.com</a> Hurry, the forum could be deleted soon, as they are not approving new posts this year. Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama Team Asking for Public Input on Space-Based Solar Power by spotting telescopes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spotting telescopes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alternate energy shcemes like this need to be debated in a much more widespread way. We need to be more conscious of the possibilities and the potential research that can be done - that research doens&#039;t get the funding it should. Let&#039;s hope getting this message out can grow exponentially.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alternate energy shcemes like this need to be debated in a much more widespread way. We need to be more conscious of the possibilities and the potential research that can be done &#8211; that research doens&#8217;t get the funding it should. Let&#8217;s hope getting this message out can grow exponentially.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama Team Asking for Public Input on Space-Based Solar Power by Raymond N. Cox</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/obama-team-asking-for-public-input-on-space-based-solar-power/#comment-3314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raymond N. Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are several balloons tethered long term at about 15,000 feet not far North of the Mexican boarder. Somewhat higher is likely practical, before the pay load falls to zero. Thin film solar cells are available which could coat the top 2/3ds of each balloon. Most days these would provide near full output from sun rise to sunset at the tether tie down location. Almost half of the energy is returned = reflected back to space, another 30% heats the helium, which allows somewhat higher altitude most afternoons. The winch at the bottom can generate perhaps one kilowatt hour per day net when the tether is being extended due to higher altitude and winds. The tether can deliver net perhaps 1000 kilowatt hours per day to the grid, if comparatively little lighting on the tether and balloon is required. CNT with great specs will improve performance considerably, when and if it becomes available.  www.skywindpower.com flying electric generators = FEG could be tethered to the balloons to supply some night time electricity plus some maneuverability.
I agree, we will regret venting helium to our atmosphere, perhaps quite soon as helium filled balloons may soon become important. Considerable R&amp;D costs are awaiting cheap balloons over 500 feet in diameter. Hydrogen is ok at high altitudes, but we can not assure that the balloons will always be at high altitude = hydrogen burns poorly above about 15,000 feet due to low oxygen partial pressure.   Neil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several balloons tethered long term at about 15,000 feet not far North of the Mexican boarder. Somewhat higher is likely practical, before the pay load falls to zero. Thin film solar cells are available which could coat the top 2/3ds of each balloon. Most days these would provide near full output from sun rise to sunset at the tether tie down location. Almost half of the energy is returned = reflected back to space, another 30% heats the helium, which allows somewhat higher altitude most afternoons. The winch at the bottom can generate perhaps one kilowatt hour per day net when the tether is being extended due to higher altitude and winds. The tether can deliver net perhaps 1000 kilowatt hours per day to the grid, if comparatively little lighting on the tether and balloon is required. CNT with great specs will improve performance considerably, when and if it becomes available.  <a href="http://www.skywindpower.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.skywindpower.com</a> flying electric generators = FEG could be tethered to the balloons to supply some night time electricity plus some maneuverability.<br />
I agree, we will regret venting helium to our atmosphere, perhaps quite soon as helium filled balloons may soon become important. Considerable R&amp;D costs are awaiting cheap balloons over 500 feet in diameter. Hydrogen is ok at high altitudes, but we can not assure that the balloons will always be at high altitude = hydrogen burns poorly above about 15,000 feet due to low oxygen partial pressure.   Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Space-Based Solar Power Breakthrough to Be Announced by Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I would like to point you onto my presentation about a direct launchable Solar Sail Power Station, which might serve as a demonstator spacecraft for space based power production and transmission to Earth.
http://solar-thruster-sailor.info/PresentationISSS2010V13.pdf

It would deploy more solar cell array with one single launch as the ISS carries now after years of construction works.

Best wishes

Frank]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I would like to point you onto my presentation about a direct launchable Solar Sail Power Station, which might serve as a demonstator spacecraft for space based power production and transmission to Earth.<br />
<a href="http://solar-thruster-sailor.info/PresentationISSS2010V13.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://solar-thruster-sailor.info/PresentationISSS2010V13.pdf</a></p>
<p>It would deploy more solar cell array with one single launch as the ISS carries now after years of construction works.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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