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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,
I see your thinking on human habitation out there, but I was just thinking of the monolith's "magical insertion" between moons 3 &#38; 4 in the Stargate sequence in the film "2001". If viewed sideways, so as to orient the sun to the left and Jupiter to the right, as is the usual orientation when we think of planetary systems, the movement of the SPS/monolith into position to flatly receive the sun's energy could simply represent a "schematic" of an SPS being moved into Clarke orbit for illustrative purposes. In a departure from describing this scene as a "magical alignment" of moons, planet, and monolith, as film critics have done, I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that this is an educational schematic. One of A.C. Clarke's last wishes was to get humankind off its "oil kick". These few seconds of film may be his (and Kubrick's) way of telling us how to do it. (where's the smiley face when you need it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,<br />
I see your thinking on human habitation out there, but I was just thinking of the monolith&#8217;s &#8220;magical insertion&#8221; between moons 3 &amp; 4 in the Stargate sequence in the film &#8220;2001&#8243;. If viewed sideways, so as to orient the sun to the left and Jupiter to the right, as is the usual orientation when we think of planetary systems, the movement of the SPS/monolith into position to flatly receive the sun&#8217;s energy could simply represent a &#8220;schematic&#8221; of an SPS being moved into Clarke orbit for illustrative purposes. In a departure from describing this scene as a &#8220;magical alignment&#8221; of moons, planet, and monolith, as film critics have done, I&#8217;m going out on a limb and suggesting that this is an educational schematic. One of A.C. Clarke&#8217;s last wishes was to get humankind off its &#8220;oil kick&#8221;. These few seconds of film may be his (and Kubrick&#8217;s) way of telling us how to do it. (where&#8217;s the smiley face when you need it?)</p>
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		<title>By: Edawg</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2569</link>
		<dc:creator>Edawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,
Oo you made me think of something,I wonder what are the SETI's guys take on SSP? Would it increase our chances of making first contact!?Either way it would be great for free press coverage on SSP!

yes,I know im evil =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,<br />
Oo you made me think of something,I wonder what are the SETI&#8217;s guys take on SSP? Would it increase our chances of making first contact!?Either way it would be great for free press coverage on SSP!</p>
<p>yes,I know im evil =)</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Cox</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2567</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clark orbit = GEO orbit for rocky planets and moons is the orbital radius where the satellite stays over the same spot on the surface. If gas giant planets (such as Jupiter) have a surface, it is likely too far below the cloud tops to be accesible even by probes and robots. There is, however, a radius which stays over the same spot (with daily weather variations) in the cloud tops.
2001 and O'Neal type habitats can be either higher or lower than the Clark orbit. We will likely select the lowest radiation altitude reasonably close to gas giant planets, and/or we can have balloon supported habitats near the cloud tops, except for Jupiter which has excessive (for humans) gravity near the cloud tops.   Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clark orbit = GEO orbit for rocky planets and moons is the orbital radius where the satellite stays over the same spot on the surface. If gas giant planets (such as Jupiter) have a surface, it is likely too far below the cloud tops to be accesible even by probes and robots. There is, however, a radius which stays over the same spot (with daily weather variations) in the cloud tops.<br />
2001 and O&#8217;Neal type habitats can be either higher or lower than the Clark orbit. We will likely select the lowest radiation altitude reasonably close to gas giant planets, and/or we can have balloon supported habitats near the cloud tops, except for Jupiter which has excessive (for humans) gravity near the cloud tops.   Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2566</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edawg,
Hmm, how about using the "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY" "monolith(SPS)-as-space settlement-enabler-and-sun-harnesser" imagery with the politicians and the public? Uncompromising Uncles Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick may have known exactly what they were planting in our imaginations after they consulted with Peter Glaser over dinner in 1966-68 timeframe (a wild guess). By the way, does anyone know what the Clarke orbit for Jupiter is? (Somewhere between the 3rd and 4th moons maybe?) Do gas giants have Clarke orbits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edawg,<br />
Hmm, how about using the &#8220;2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY&#8221; &#8220;monolith(SPS)-as-space settlement-enabler-and-sun-harnesser&#8221; imagery with the politicians and the public? Uncompromising Uncles Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick may have known exactly what they were planting in our imaginations after they consulted with Peter Glaser over dinner in 1966-68 timeframe (a wild guess). By the way, does anyone know what the Clarke orbit for Jupiter is? (Somewhere between the 3rd and 4th moons maybe?) Do gas giants have Clarke orbits?</p>
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		<title>By: Edawg</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2563</link>
		<dc:creator>Edawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err.. I dont know where to post this.I noticed one thing when I went lobbying for  the NASA budget back in 06 with NSS.Only the states with NASA centers give a flying crap about the NASA budget.If there is ever going to be a national thrust on SSP a political alliance should be formed of key aerospace states (FL,Cali ect..)and once those states are on board with a SSP initive Congress will be around the corner.My crazy 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err.. I dont know where to post this.I noticed one thing when I went lobbying for  the NASA budget back in 06 with NSS.Only the states with NASA centers give a flying crap about the NASA budget.If there is ever going to be a national thrust on SSP a political alliance should be formed of key aerospace states (FL,Cali ect..)and once those states are on board with a SSP initive Congress will be around the corner.My crazy 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Alienthe</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2561</link>
		<dc:creator>Alienthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to illustrate I made and uploaded a diagram illustrating some of the outer orbitological (is that a word??) choices. Drawing is in Inkscape, available on request, PNG hosted on Imageshack:
&lt;a href="http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orbitologysh8.png" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://img604.imageshack.us/content.php?page=blogpost&#38;files=img373/8451/orbitologysh8.png" title="QuickPost" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
(link provided by Imageshack, seems rather big so I'll leave it to our editor to trim superfluous gunk)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to illustrate I made and uploaded a diagram illustrating some of the outer orbitological (is that a word??) choices. Drawing is in Inkscape, available on request, PNG hosted on Imageshack:<br />
<a href="http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orbitologysh8.png" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://img604.imageshack.us/content.php?page=blogpost&amp;files=img373/8451/orbitologysh8.png" title="QuickPost" rel="nofollow"></a><br />
(link provided by Imageshack, seems rather big so I&#8217;ll leave it to our editor to trim superfluous gunk)</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Cox</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L2 may be better than L1. L2 does not cool Earth which will be important if we enter a new ice age soon. Both are about 1,500,000 kilometers from Earth, so it is a long trip to install a SSP either place. Since we need to minimize the mass (or wait until the materials can be obtained from the Moon or asteroids) the SSP will behave somewhat like a solar sail. That means the actual location may be as far away as 2 million kilometers for L1 or as close as one million kilometers for L2. At closer than L2, the solar sail feature will normally hold the SSP just outside the shadow of Earth, so the SSP can be moved quickly into the shadow of Earth, if we need to shut off the beam, or dodge a CME = coronal mass ejection.
A L1 SSP will beam energy to the dayside of Earth, while a L2 SSP will beam energy to the night side or twilight side of Earth where surface solar energy is not available. L2 does not compete with surface solar, which is a big plus in my opinion.
Disadvantages are the solar constant is about 1000 instead of 1275 just outside Earth's shadow. 2 Earth locations need about 3/4 as much power after about 9pm as during the peak demand period an hour or two earlier. Both these problems are mostly solved, if the solar sail feature has enough thrust to pull the SSP 10,000 kilometers from the center of Earth's shadow. 3 Adjusting the attitude of the solar panels to behave as a solar sail adds complexity, especially if solar concentrators are used, but I think this is doable.
Another disadvantage is: 4 The receiving site for the SSP beam needs to face approximately the horizon when receiving energy at about sunset. That may not have a good solution, for either L2 or L1.   Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L2 may be better than L1. L2 does not cool Earth which will be important if we enter a new ice age soon. Both are about 1,500,000 kilometers from Earth, so it is a long trip to install a SSP either place. Since we need to minimize the mass (or wait until the materials can be obtained from the Moon or asteroids) the SSP will behave somewhat like a solar sail. That means the actual location may be as far away as 2 million kilometers for L1 or as close as one million kilometers for L2. At closer than L2, the solar sail feature will normally hold the SSP just outside the shadow of Earth, so the SSP can be moved quickly into the shadow of Earth, if we need to shut off the beam, or dodge a CME = coronal mass ejection.<br />
A L1 SSP will beam energy to the dayside of Earth, while a L2 SSP will beam energy to the night side or twilight side of Earth where surface solar energy is not available. L2 does not compete with surface solar, which is a big plus in my opinion.<br />
Disadvantages are the solar constant is about 1000 instead of 1275 just outside Earth&#8217;s shadow. 2 Earth locations need about 3/4 as much power after about 9pm as during the peak demand period an hour or two earlier. Both these problems are mostly solved, if the solar sail feature has enough thrust to pull the SSP 10,000 kilometers from the center of Earth&#8217;s shadow. 3 Adjusting the attitude of the solar panels to behave as a solar sail adds complexity, especially if solar concentrators are used, but I think this is doable.<br />
Another disadvantage is: 4 The receiving site for the SSP beam needs to face approximately the horizon when receiving energy at about sunset. That may not have a good solution, for either L2 or L1.   Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Alienthe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alienthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking a bit about orbits and would like to summarise for further discussions:
&lt;b&gt;ORBITOLOGY&lt;/b&gt;

A number of orbits are possible though all have quite different operating consequences on use, law and design. For reasons I have not found it appears GEO is preferred in this project. That might not be an entirely straight forward choice. By category:

&lt;b&gt;Geostationary Orbit - GEO&lt;/b&gt;
On the plus side there is no doubt that this is well established technology. It is however a long climb up the gravitational well and more importantly it is a limited resource. At an altitude of ca. 35800 km, ground being about 6400 km from centre of Earth we get a circumference of ca. 26400 km. Positions in GEO are allocated in degrees, one degree spans 735 km. Some positions are more popular than others, particularly where a meridian spans numerous countries. Also these are used for several kinds of satellites (Broadcasting, point-to-point, earth resource monitoring, sciences, weather, various military puposes and more) so you might have to share a position with, say, 10 other users. Add some margins for station keeping (bumper-to-bumper is not the way to drive in the skies) and suddenly a satellite sized in the 10s of km in span is not that popular with other countries.

A quick Googling shows there are discussions in the UN about rights of access:
http://www.google.com/search?q=UN+geostationary+orbit

As for claims - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1309/is_v23/ai_4330012
&lt;blockquote&gt;Geostationary orbit: The Sub-Committee noted a decision of the World Administrative Radio Conference declaring itself not competent to deal with specific principles concerning demands made by equatorial countries to have sovereignty/jurisdiction over segments of the geostationary orbit superadjacent to their territories, and to preserve those segments for the "opportune and appropriate utilization of the orbit by all States, particularly the developing countries'.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As value increases one should expect more of this. What they cannot reach or use themselvs they might still feel like renting out to others. Debate has been gong on for decades, one should not expect resolution anytime soon.

A SBSP satellite in GEO would need to be articulated: one part always facing the sun (one rotation per year), the other facing the receiver on Earth (one rotation per day). Making this Earth facing platform a slot in platform for other users would limit the congestion, provide plenty of power, save in station keeping and provide good will.

A position in GEO would mean a grazing angle at higher latitudes and thus larger rectennas for microwave power downlink.

&lt;b&gt;Highly Elliptical Orbits - Molniya and Tundra&lt;/b&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_elliptical_orbit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundra_orbit

These feature apogee dwell so they appear to rest for a long period in one area in the sky, typically at higher latitudes which would mean a more normal angle of incidense and thus smaller rectenna farm. These are little used, are less limited than GEO and therefore far less controversial.

On the negative side is the fact these pass through the van Allen belts and would need to be radiation protected. A cohosting facility means someone could set up an alternative to GPS (using high precision clocks for say DAB broadcast in the L-band, not sure if the US would like that). Then again it could also be used to amend GPS coverage significantly since DOP around 60 degrees latitude is worse than many other latitudes. http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/constellations/tables/orbitfig.gif

Articulation would be very different from GEO, from what I can see it would be less motion thus less wear.

Such orbits would be useful for mirrors relaying power beams to latitudes far outside the equator and for added flexibility when extra power is needed. Such relay systems were studies during the 80's as part of the SDI, so I expect the DOD to have plenty of information on how best to accomplish this, not sure if it is all openly available though.

&lt;b&gt;Halo Orbits - SE L2&lt;/b&gt;
Well, let's face it: this is my hobby horse... Anyway, orbit is basically vacant, no controversies yet. Articulation is simpler, basically the incoming sunlight is mostly parallel with the power downlink, be it in the form of microwaves or as lighht. This means minimal mechanics and minimal wear.

More importantly by having a passive outer rim (mirrors) and any active parts in the shadow of the Earth you are protected from solar storms by up to 12000 km of rocks. A km scale solar panel would have to be turned edge on to protect from such storms and the angular momentum is simply enormous. That problem simply is not there with an annular mirror as I have proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking a bit about orbits and would like to summarise for further discussions:<br />
<b>ORBITOLOGY</b></p>
<p>A number of orbits are possible though all have quite different operating consequences on use, law and design. For reasons I have not found it appears GEO is preferred in this project. That might not be an entirely straight forward choice. By category:</p>
<p><b>Geostationary Orbit - GEO</b><br />
On the plus side there is no doubt that this is well established technology. It is however a long climb up the gravitational well and more importantly it is a limited resource. At an altitude of ca. 35800 km, ground being about 6400 km from centre of Earth we get a circumference of ca. 26400 km. Positions in GEO are allocated in degrees, one degree spans 735 km. Some positions are more popular than others, particularly where a meridian spans numerous countries. Also these are used for several kinds of satellites (Broadcasting, point-to-point, earth resource monitoring, sciences, weather, various military puposes and more) so you might have to share a position with, say, 10 other users. Add some margins for station keeping (bumper-to-bumper is not the way to drive in the skies) and suddenly a satellite sized in the 10s of km in span is not that popular with other countries.</p>
<p>A quick Googling shows there are discussions in the UN about rights of access:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=UN+geostationary+orbit" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=UN+geostationary+orbit</a></p>
<p>As for claims - <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1309/is_v23/ai_4330012" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1309/is_v23/ai_4330012</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Geostationary orbit: The Sub-Committee noted a decision of the World Administrative Radio Conference declaring itself not competent to deal with specific principles concerning demands made by equatorial countries to have sovereignty/jurisdiction over segments of the geostationary orbit superadjacent to their territories, and to preserve those segments for the &#8220;opportune and appropriate utilization of the orbit by all States, particularly the developing countries&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>As value increases one should expect more of this. What they cannot reach or use themselvs they might still feel like renting out to others. Debate has been gong on for decades, one should not expect resolution anytime soon.</p>
<p>A SBSP satellite in GEO would need to be articulated: one part always facing the sun (one rotation per year), the other facing the receiver on Earth (one rotation per day). Making this Earth facing platform a slot in platform for other users would limit the congestion, provide plenty of power, save in station keeping and provide good will.</p>
<p>A position in GEO would mean a grazing angle at higher latitudes and thus larger rectennas for microwave power downlink.</p>
<p><b>Highly Elliptical Orbits - Molniya and Tundra</b><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_elliptical_orbit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_elliptical_orbit</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundra_orbit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundra_orbit</a></p>
<p>These feature apogee dwell so they appear to rest for a long period in one area in the sky, typically at higher latitudes which would mean a more normal angle of incidense and thus smaller rectenna farm. These are little used, are less limited than GEO and therefore far less controversial.</p>
<p>On the negative side is the fact these pass through the van Allen belts and would need to be radiation protected. A cohosting facility means someone could set up an alternative to GPS (using high precision clocks for say DAB broadcast in the L-band, not sure if the US would like that). Then again it could also be used to amend GPS coverage significantly since DOP around 60 degrees latitude is worse than many other latitudes. <a href="http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/constellations/tables/orbitfig.gif" rel="nofollow">http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/constellations/tables/orbitfig.gif</a></p>
<p>Articulation would be very different from GEO, from what I can see it would be less motion thus less wear.</p>
<p>Such orbits would be useful for mirrors relaying power beams to latitudes far outside the equator and for added flexibility when extra power is needed. Such relay systems were studies during the 80&#8217;s as part of the SDI, so I expect the DOD to have plenty of information on how best to accomplish this, not sure if it is all openly available though.</p>
<p><b>Halo Orbits - SE L2</b><br />
Well, let&#8217;s face it: this is my hobby horse&#8230; Anyway, orbit is basically vacant, no controversies yet. Articulation is simpler, basically the incoming sunlight is mostly parallel with the power downlink, be it in the form of microwaves or as lighht. This means minimal mechanics and minimal wear.</p>
<p>More importantly by having a passive outer rim (mirrors) and any active parts in the shadow of the Earth you are protected from solar storms by up to 12000 km of rocks. A km scale solar panel would have to be turned edge on to protect from such storms and the angular momentum is simply enormous. That problem simply is not there with an annular mirror as I have proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Connell</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-1207</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to the Interim Report, and thanks to the team that has made this a public process via this blog.

In addition to the business case, I argue for a Societal Case discussion. This technological challenge is nested in social and political contexts, from the use of solar system resources, to the global, national,region, city, town, family, and  down to the individual consumer. Understanding the impact of this, early, is as important as the technological challenge, for technology choice and options are never ever divorced from the societal contexts in which the decisions are made. 
Kat Connell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to the Interim Report, and thanks to the team that has made this a public process via this blog.</p>
<p>In addition to the business case, I argue for a Societal Case discussion. This technological challenge is nested in social and political contexts, from the use of solar system resources, to the global, national,region, city, town, family, and  down to the individual consumer. Understanding the impact of this, early, is as important as the technological challenge, for technology choice and options are never ever divorced from the societal contexts in which the decisions are made.<br />
Kat Connell</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Oleson</title>
		<link>http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/wheres-the-final-report/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Oleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a review of a book, Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility, that aims to create a more positive approach to environmental problems, emphasizing innovation and investment.  It might help create a supportive narrative for space solar power.</description>
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